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Samf
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 Posted - February 14 2003 : 09:15:09 AM
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Hi.
I was just reading through Viki's post from Emmit Fox's "Sermon on the Mount", and the thing that kept running trough my mind is where Dr. Jung talked to Bill Wilson, in a letter, about the alcoholic's search for wholeness...which, he said, if I remember right, correlated with "Union with God."
The forgiveness part caught me, too. I hated myself so much, I knew, just knew, that any God there ever was must hate me.
I knew what kind of wrongs I had done, and how could anything perfect and just love me??
Well, I have come to believe that it is possible.
My personal belief is that my HP wants me to be wide, spacious and free. That perfect freedom is really freedom under God, and not my own self-will and ego.
I have a vision of this, but it is limited, and is played out a little, as the days go by. More is revealed. Things become more apparent.
I am no longer lonely, alone and lost. And trust that, one day at a time, my HP is resoring me to wholeness.
Any thoughts on the topic of wholeness? There is no right or wrong thoughts. We are all who we are.
Thanks.
Sam
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 Posted - February 14 2003 : 2:39:31 PM
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Sammie first let me say, it is sooooo good to hear from you. Glad you have posted.
WHOLENESS
Being in union with God. Yes I can belive that. And as time goes by and I get in step with my Higher Power and just do the next right thing, I can say, yes I do feel a little more whole as a human. What a process though. And I have friends that remind me, it took so many years going into the woods and a lot of work has to be done.
And as forgiving myself is such a process. Sometimes I feel I am not worthy of being forgiven for what I have done. Making progress though.
And this part you said is becoming more apparent to me as days come and go.
But this is the part that rang the bells in my head. And it was so good to read. And that anything is possible and within my reach.
Thank you Sammie.
Harry
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Samf
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Posted - February 16 2003 : 08:50:49 AM
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Hey, Harry!
Good to see you, too! I have missed you! : )
Yah...it amazes me. In retrospect, I can look back and see where my HP was helping me, all along, to get clean and sober, and where he has continued to help me. But, at first, I just almost couldn't dare to believe to hope.
And wide spacious and free wasn't somehting I personally got from the types of church services I went to...I thought it was all about being bad or good. I knew I was bad, so God had to hate me, you know?
But my experience shows me that He really doesn't hate me. And that He is ready to meet me more than half way, on anything.
I personally believe (this is only my opinion, and you know what they say about those) that there really is a spirit of the universe, universal power, whatever a person chooses to call it that does not make a realtionship with Him difficult, at all.
That the realm of the spirit is open to all. That what appears to be a flimsy reed someohow proves to be the all-loving and powerful hand of God...however someone understands him.
So, union with God, if Jung was right...wholeness...is available to every one of us.
It's been that way, to me, anyway.
Love you, Harry.
Love,
Sam
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 Posted - February 16 2003 : 11:01:36 AM
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Thanks (((((Sam)))))
Love ya
Harry
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Raymond May
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Posted - February 25 2003 : 12:31:11 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Samf:
Hi. Sam. WHOLENESS. Many years ago this 'Wholeness' word turned up in sharing. It was a Sam V. who said the word 'wholeness' was derived from the word sane pronounced in french 'sarnay' which means health in mind body and spirit. The spirit of wholeness of course can also relate to what I call - "language mess-up - Babel " - and then wholeleness is likened to the spirit of holiness. Peace.
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God_Chaser
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Posted - February 28 2003 : 12:21:50 AM
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I think wholeness is found in the living and abiding in the will of God. Outside of that will and apart from His presence I am a shattered and broken individual always seeking to be reunited with my source.
random thought of mine
michael
"In hoc cognoscent omnes quia mei estis discipuli si dilectionem habueritis ad invicem."
Thomas Merton
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Samf
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Posted - February 28 2003 : 08:46:18 AM
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Thank you. It makes sense to me.
Any thoughts on how to know what God's will is?
I know I don't always know.
I find my own will gets in the way, sometimes, for example.
Thanks.
Sam
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God_Chaser
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Posted - February 28 2003 : 10:37:51 AM
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my experience with Gods Will says that God deals with each of us differently according to our level of need and individual gifts. He deals with us in ways that our knowing and understanding him is unmistakeable once we develop the skills and tools he implanted in us to sense him... trusting what we come to understand is more difficult at least for me. There are times when I still think "Are You Crazy Michael"? But then I remember that Gods will can only be understood, accepted and trusted through a spiritual mind and not a worldly mind.
I get Gods will in pieces as I need them, never the whole or complete plan, never His entire will for me for the remainder of my life. Logic tells me that if God were to reveal his will for me all at once I would then on my own steam and resources commence to take action, my action based on my limited knowledge and understanding. I would, knowing myself never stop to consider or ask for help. I would think I have to go do this and forget all about my need for Gods continued guidance and direction.
God reveals what I need to know as I need to know it. I determine it is His will if I have forced or initiated any action. Situations, occurrences and circumstances that happen independently of my effort. My role and responsibility is to prayer as instructed in the 11th Step, be patient, watchful and open to any and all opportunities that arise regardless of how little they might seem to make sense.
I am to be obedient, courageous and willing. I pray (ask), meditate (listen), contemplate (consider) and respond as needed. I do not trust my self in determining these things so I ask for clarity and discernment.
This involves the aspects of Gods' Will that require action and movement on my part. I leave the other part, his guiding and directing me to be where he wants me to be when he needs me to be there up to him.
I'll write some more thoughts later
Michael
"In hoc cognoscent omnes quia mei estis discipuli si dilectionem habueritis ad invicem."
Thomas Merton
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journeytoserenity
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Posted - February 28 2003 : 9:59:47 PM
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The only thing that I KNOW is God's will for me is NOT to drink and drug! As far as trying to follow God's will sober - I pretty much talk with Him, check out my thinking with others, and go where I am led. I know I am going in the right direction, today, by the way I feel about the direction I am taking. When I get those funny feelings inside of me, I have it pretty clear that I am going against His will. When doors just slam shut, on the path I am following, I know It's not the path He would have me go.
Through Him, I have learned to start to trust my inner instincts again. When I am around someone that is not good for me, or good for me in following God's will, the feelings of being uncomfortable become overwhelming! I believe God does talk to people......I just had to learn to listen to what He was saying!!
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Samf
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Posted - March 02 2003 : 08:44:26 AM
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Thank you guys!
G_C, you confirmed some things for me I used to be able to sense that seemed to hold true, that I had forgotten. I spent quite a while running on my own will, and it has clouded my understanding of God's will...at the least, it has interfered with it.
I was so happy to hear someone else say that God reveals His will in pieces, too...and can relate to trying to do things on my own effort, if He revealed it, all at once.
And I forgot about the idea of contemplation, as well.
I am very grateful for what you shared, because it did confirm things for me, and it reminded me of some things, and it gave me such a sense of peace. Thank you for your thoughtful and honest answer.
And, Viki...thanks. I get that feeling, too, sometimes. I think the going where I am led was helpful...when life happens, I wonder what in the world is going on, sometimes.
I don't really have anyone locally to check things with, but I heard that, also.
Thank you for responding, Viki. I really appreciate it.
Love you both.
Sam
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